Skymaster Forum  

Go Back   Skymaster Forum > Messages
Register FAQ Members List Calendar Today's Posts

Reply
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Unread 02-22-24, 07:02 PM
Jhogan0101's Avatar
Jhogan0101 Jhogan0101 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 193
Jhogan0101 is on a distinguished road
Rear engine oil leaks

Im having a hard time locating source of rear engine oil leaks.
After flight seeing a good amount of oil on the pilot side rear cowl under the tail cap.
Inside looks wet on the upper exhaust tree, pilot side.
Not seeing any evidence of leaking on the top half of engine.
Ive tried looking at the engine while running with the cowl disassembled and dont notice any leaks.
Does anyone know of any good strategies to try and hunt down this leak(s)?
__________________
337B
Philadelphia PA
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Unread 02-22-24, 08:05 PM
RandyArizona RandyArizona is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2022
Location: AZ
Posts: 51
RandyArizona is on a distinguished road
No "special" strategy, just the usual, clean, dry, check, re-clean... etc.
However, I had the same issue once, turned out to be the alternator shaft oil seal.
Sent it off for overhaul, came back, and dry engine.
Good luck.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Unread 02-22-24, 09:00 PM
Joes Joes is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Dec 2021
Location: Abingdon, VA
Posts: 80
Joes is on a distinguished road
oil leak

Use foot spray powder, pulls oil out and changes the color of the powder. Easily identified, been using this method for 30 years.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Unread 02-22-24, 09:46 PM
Rick Erwin Rick Erwin is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: KLOU
Posts: 194
Rick Erwin is on a distinguished road
Check the screws on the rocker box covers. They should be torqued to 25 in/lb initially, then retorqued to 20 in/lb thereafter.

You can also get an additive for the oil that will fluoresce under a black light.

Rick
__________________
N337K-FT337GP
KLOU
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Unread 02-23-24, 05:59 PM
TomM's Avatar
TomM TomM is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Iowa
Posts: 126
TomM is on a distinguished road
The rear engine is hard....the way the air swirls around makes it difficult to figure things out. I have been chasing it, and while I have reduced it, I have not been able to totally stop it, so I gave up. I replaced just about every gasket that can be replaced without splitting the engine. I even followed some advice from the Mooney 231 group. Still leaks and leaves black smears coming out of the bottom of the cowl flaps and the cowl to fuselage joint. The aluminum rubbing together makes even new oil look like crap seeping out the cowl joints.

The color of my plane makes the oil only slightly less visible than a white one, but still there. And it only takes a few drips to make it look terrible back there.

Like I said, I gave up and just carry a spray bottle of degreaser and paper towels and clean it up when I land. I just tell people its like a radial engine.....the only time it doesn't leak is when its out of oil 🤣

Best of luck!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Unread 03-13-24, 10:18 PM
Jhogan0101's Avatar
Jhogan0101 Jhogan0101 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 193
Jhogan0101 is on a distinguished road
Well after jamming many towels in many places and running up/checking the towels.
It seems that the leak is on pilot side between cylinder 1 and 3.
When flight air blows down it makes a real mess inside this side of engine.
Ive included a link to the drip.
Ive looked topside of the engine and do not see any leaking.
Could my cylinder be leaking between the heat fins?
Has anyone else seen this?

https://ibb.co/Fm0CJ3W
__________________
337B
Philadelphia PA
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Unread 03-14-24, 08:54 AM
Kim Geyer Kim Geyer is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Bahama, NC
Posts: 294
Kim Geyer is an unknown quantity at this point
It can leak there if the cylinder is cracked. I would remove that piece of baffle, pressurize the cylinder and soap check it for leaks. You may have a head fixing to separate from the barrel
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Unread 03-14-24, 10:48 AM
TomM's Avatar
TomM TomM is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Location: Iowa
Posts: 126
TomM is on a distinguished road
Unfortunately, I have seen this personally, and to more of an extreme than Kim mentioned on my front engine.............so remove some of the items in the way and do a good check. I good borescope may help to get in tight places without having to remove a bunch of stuff. Of course these are extreme examples, but they do happen so you need to look. Keep us posted!

Name:  case 1.jpg
Views: 7157
Size:  358.7 KB
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Unread 03-14-24, 07:48 PM
Jhogan0101's Avatar
Jhogan0101 Jhogan0101 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 193
Jhogan0101 is on a distinguished road
I removed the baffles today and good news looks like cylinder is not cracked.
Looks like the leaking is coming from the base of #3 and #1 cylinders.
Lots of wiggling when running.
__________________
337B
Philadelphia PA

Last edited by Jhogan0101 : 03-16-24 at 08:23 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Unread 03-20-24, 03:57 PM
Jhogan0101's Avatar
Jhogan0101 Jhogan0101 is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Philadelphia
Posts: 193
Jhogan0101 is on a distinguished road
After retorquing the cylinder base nuts it looks like both the 1 and 3 cylinder have a small crack behind where the CHT probe is.
The leak on 3 is worse, drips once every 3 secs or so.
I will remove both and exchange w j&j or gibson.
__________________
337B
Philadelphia PA
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Unread 03-20-24, 05:40 PM
mshac's Avatar
mshac mshac is offline
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: North Texas
Posts: 763
mshac is on a distinguished road
Pics if at all possible, please.
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:19 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.