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Ok... lets get thing started... and back to flying... go..go...
I think we have so far had the top three areas hold their own for where the group would like to see the meeting held... but, to be fair... maybe kevin would be able to take the top 5 and post them again... and we could narrow it down... although it seem like the leader is the midwest... and the most equatible for all... but, I am not shure exactly where would be the best place... and that would have to come from the people who are around their... else we are going to have to get the travel agent out and see what is of interest... around their.. and where a meeting could be held... at any of the many places...
I guess we could go by states but, their are a lot of them in the midwest... so maybe we should make boundaries... north and south.. and narrow it down a little more... I possed the problem to a editor friend of mine who also writes for the mags... and asked him to select the best place in the midwest that has the most to offer in entertainment as well as services... he thought it would make a great article and so is going to fire something back in a month or two... his reaction was.. gee their are so many places that have great things to do and see... but, he wanted to know what time of year we were thinking of.. Hmmmmmm.... I assume it would be best in May... but, again that is something that is not my decision alone to make... so what do you think... should we put up a new questionair... and refine the original .... I know the old72 driver was going through the old whitmakers newsletters and their was some mention of Kansas... but, that was then... and we are into promoting you to take a adventure and do some travel by air... as well as a learning experance... Most of you are getting ready to put the planes in for the winter... and are going to start to do your maintance annuals... time to get the old bird back into shape and keep this trip in the back of your mind when you are doing it... just to make it go the extra distance... Another thing that Pete suggested was that we have different people from different areas take their own area and send out, go post and give skymaster pilots who are not current on the regestery a handout/posting to try and get the "rest of the fold togeather".... And lastly... how should we hold the skymasters meeting... should we have it just open... and anything goes... or should we have a lecture/fact finding and then open discussion... or make it back to school... should we have a facility that we can go out and physically open up a plane and do some hands on stuff... or just classroom.... Should we invite a guest speaker... like peter or Tom from CPA to come and give a talk... I think it would be great to hear what others have to say... and where they are from also... so maybe we could have just a group thing... all of these are questions that we should have thought of... then of course their is the night life and entertaninment... for the other half that doesn't want to sit around and listen to a bunch of guys...gals... wave their arms and draw funny pictures that look like something from the e-giptons...smile... but, on a budget... And lets have more planes this year... heck only a hand full last year... none from the west... come on...start saving them pennies... for the fuel and flight... and who knows it might even make the news... hey that another thing... we going to have maybe some officers and PR person... I can think of several who are good at computers... and we do need a grand awkie thumper that can call the meetings to order... etc... a little more orginized than just.. well here we are... now what...kinda thing... we don't need no stinking rules... just officers... and PR people... whos term is good until they get tired of it or we find some other that wants too.... I have contacted a flag maker this morning .. they really are sail makers over here... that makes up them colorful flags.. and they said they would see about making up some proofs for us... I gave them some ideas... you got any others... one flag for the hangar... one for the house... and one for the meeting.. each with their own family crest or badge on it... and I guess we could number them.. as the new kids on the block would be higher numbers...sort of thing... Ok... get to doing what we all do best their skymaster owner... start thinking in the easy chair and no snoring when the wife asks what your doing.. say ... thinking about flying... except for larry... and kevin... they work way to hard... BTW.... we flew to a restraunt that is on a airfield... we frequent.. called jones's... their we usually do the old stunt of pulling up to the large picture windows... and at the last min spin the skymaster around... so that it is parked so all can see... while eating... we jumped out and headed for the insides and usually have several people ask if they can look inside... good pR... so we say.. sure.. and leave the top door open.. it also makes it cooler when you get back... Once inside we met the owner and she naturly has a table up at the window for us to keep a eye on the plane as well as great place to eat... (steak)... and we always have people marvel at the way we came in.. as well as the plane itself... We always overhear some funny stuff though... one time the guys girlfirend or wife was saying ... "no.. no.. they have the engine in the rear to make it climb better... and he replied.. gee I think its a spare..." we helped out by saying... she was right... heck giving the little woman a sence of inferority... and others who we have met before are still amazed at the plane... sometimes we even speak a little loudly and make the offer after dinner to take someone up for a local flight... we always have takers... and the gal that owns the joint usually gives us dinner on the house... because it brings 'em back... Well we did the same this time... but, instead of having to ask... a bright young looking gal came over and said... are you the one that takes people up in the plane... looking her over... what a doll... I sat streight up in the chair... sucked in the gut.. and said... sure am... are you interested in going...after dinner... thinking wow a chance of a lifetime... atttttt.... nope... she was sent over from another table... that the owner of the steak house had informed its occupants that I was the one... and as I looked back I could not see too many people or who.. but, I said.. sure I can take two this trip... she then gave me her card.... girls carry cards now... hmmmm.... and it said that she was a escort service... DOWN LARRY... this is not what you think... she is a planner... and aranges things for clients... like lemmmos and dinners and things like that... darn knew it was too good to be true... anyway... after dinner I sent the waiter over and said were ready any time they are... and I guess I should tell you that the steak house is in NAPA... ahhh the land of movie stars and actors... and guess who along with their wife came out and got in the plane... smile... nope I am going to keep you guessing but, they are on TV in a sitcom.... and they were having dinner with another very fine actor... Mr. Eastwood himself... who flew his helo up with his wife also... Anyway we took off after meeting all the people and went up the wine country way... flight lasted about 40 min... and we checked out some trees and houses like my Elmer larry did... and then came back... and they left in Clints helo... as I was going back to the skymaster I had flown over... the fuel truck pulled up.. and started to get out his hoses.. I replied .. naw I don't need to buy any fuel... its expensive their... he replied.. nope its paid for already... your guest told me to come over and filled up the plane... took about 70 gallons... Wow... now that is what I like.. free dinner, free fuel and meeting great people... wow... and so did the owner of the skymaster I flew... as it came back with full tanks... he was impressed.. and said I could use it any time I wanted because of it... Isn't it nice to go in looking like dirt and coming out smelling like a rose... smile... only in a skymaster... beach drivers eat your heart out... G.M>GMAs 
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10-05-02, 05:31 PM
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Sounds good.
Just so everyone knows, anyone can post a poll any time they like, doesn't need me to do it. But I'll post another if we get some folks agreeing that they want another... The number of responses to the last poll is so small (it is not really 33 people voting, because in the last pole you were allowed to vote more than once). I am not sure another vote will tell us anything more. Central U.S. seems to have won among those voting. I suggest someone propose a date and place based on the information from the last two polls, and people sign up to attend, or not. Don Neiser (sorry if I am spelling that wrong) has already offered his time and facility in Oklahoma City, but there was very little response to the offer. Jerry De Santis has offered to organize a meeting in Nashville, if Gmas will commit to attending (I think anyway, if I've got that wrong, please correct me). Not much response to that suggestion either. Would it be easier to get together in conjunction with other events, such as Sun 'n Fun, Arlington, Oshkosh, Reno Air Races, or ...? Have the meeting on Sunday, so folks could attend the other event on Saturday? Just trying to find a way to increase the participation. We had something like 30 people at the meeting we held at Oshkosh, and that was at a very bad time of day (5:30 PM, as I recall). My two cents. Kevin
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10-05-02, 06:21 PM
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1. Central U.S. sounds good. I supported Nashville earlier, but Oklahoma City is OK.
2. I'd schedule it on its own, not in conjuction with another event, and for the whole weekend. 3. It's important to set a date NOW, so people can start making plans. I vote for April or May 2003. 4. I like the idea of some hands-on activities, actually working on an aircraft. 5. What about some time carved out for precision flying? Perhaps some really short short-field landings, etc. 6. Based on the May meeting in The Bahamas, I would NOT invite other experts beyond GMAs. They would just take valuable time away, since you can't really expect them to come just for a half-hour talk. Ernie
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10-06-02, 12:32 PM
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Escort Service??
Way to go GMAS!!!
I like the idea of some precision, formation flying. Jerry DeSantis and I have done some, including low approach to an airport. It would be cool to get some more planes, and do a larger formation flight. I looked at Cirrus for Duats, and if you criss cross the country, Hays, KS comes up close. It's home to Rans aircraft, a kitplane place. I agree with Ernie, that if you want a larger turn out, the decision as to where/when needs to be made soon. I also agree with him that it needs to be independent of any other event, and forget guest speakers, except as a footnote, much like we did at OSH, where Les Brindle talked about the 3 blade props, and MaryAnn talked about the Diesels. April or May would work for a lot of people. Again, we need to decide where/when soon, so that people can start planning. Bob did a wonderful job at Treasure Cay, especially considering that until weeks before hand, we didn't know for sure that anyone would really show up. Once a location and date is settled, notifying everyone who does not read this message board takes some time. It can be done by downloading the FAA database, and sending out a note. Timing is everything in this. I remember Guy saying they planned the gatherings 2 years in advance. So, a place, and a date, need to be set soon.
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10-06-02, 12:48 PM
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One More Thought
Where ever we go should have decent fuel prices, and Instrument approaches, and be reasonably warm in April/May.
One place that does come to mind is OSH, which certainly is set up to handle visitors, and has hangars, etc. Unfortunately, there's not much to night life that I am aware of.
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10-08-02, 01:22 PM
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ANNUAL MEETING.... WELL IT LOOKS LIKE.... MORE DETAILS
According to the poll which everyone should have now had a chance to vote on... shows that the top 5 responses should be examined more carefuly....
TO FURTHER THE CAUSE... Logicly we need to start to deduce which area we find most interesting and will meet our prerequsts... Central ... North or South... Should we list the states within this region and then pick which one we should infiltrate... In any case we need to get on with comeing up to some decision so that plans can be made in advance... as to the month... which is best... Off season... on some of the resorts are cheeper rates and fair service... Season... its more called bring money... Weather.... some place that has good wx during Accomidations... enough for all... with choices... Transportation... for the masses... Useability.... ahhh here for the frequent flyer as well as the GA plane... and not a rip off for parking or services... the big question is not only for US skymasters.. but, for the other folks who come along too... If we went to say Yellowstone and stayed in the lodge... or outside... we are going to have cold climates kinda thing in Feb or May... but, I think we all need to look up some of the spots... and make some inquirees as to what they have that we will find useful... kinda thing... If we went to Las Vegas... ya I mean like do we need to explane anything their... its adult and kids playground... again check out the web.. and staying at North Las Vegas field is not bad for pricing... etc... comes with rental car... and figures out cheeper than staying in one hotel.. although they do cater to groups and give group rates... kinda thing... so again scoping is the word here... to find our options... Ok.. just food for thought... what say... all... G.M> GMAs Last edited by GMAs : 10-08-02 at 01:37 PM.
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10-08-02, 07:37 PM
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Note to readers:
The GMAs message which appears just above this one was originally posted under a new thread heading. Since it deals with the same subject which GMAs first raised in an earlier thread, Kevin has merged the two threads. Ernie Last edited by Ernie Martin : 10-09-02 at 11:05 AM.
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10-12-02, 08:57 PM
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A Thought
We have polled, with no clear cut results, as to where to have the next meeting. Of the 164 people that have registered for this message board, only 34 have voted for a location. The 164 includes some people that don't currently own skymasters, and represent about 18% of the skymasters that are registered in the US, not counting the ones that are Canadian, or Mexican, or other countries.
So, does it have to be one meeting? Why not schedule 3 - 4 meetings a year, somewhat geographical, and invite everyone to all of them. If we can get 30-40 planes to any or all of them, we call it a success. I remember Guy writing about Whitaker (sp) setting them up 2 years in advance. We had one, with what I thought was a success, given the timing and advance notice. So, here's my proposal. Let's have a meeting in Las Vegas, first week of April. Let's have a meeting in Treasure Cay, first week of May. Let's call these semi-technical, social gatherings. Let's combine them with some localize travel, sightseeing, trips. From LV, we could go north to Tonapah and Groom Lake. East, towards the Grand Canyon, or lots of easy, short hops are available in the area. Call it a long weekend, or 4-5 days. For Treasure Cay, a short hop over to one of the local islands would be possible. Let's have a strictly technical gathering in Oklahoma City, or Nashville, first week of June. Given the participation of Don Neiser, I think we could have a better technical meeting at Don's place. Let's schedule another gathering, unofficial, unorganized, for Oshkosh, and a formal, semi-technical, gathering in Las Vegas, for October. Anything on the east coast, after mid June, becomes subject to Hurricanes and tropical storms. The folks in Texas going north to New York have found that out, this fall. What do you folks think. Personally, I'd like to see an eastern meeting in my backyard, or DCA, but neither of those are practical. Anyone else have a better idea?
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10-14-02, 04:45 PM
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Larry:
Since only 34 people have voted, my guess is that it's those people -- 10, 20, maybe 30 -- who will actually go to these meetings. And I think most of them simply CAN'T go to that many meetings. So they'll go to 1 (maybe 2), and attendance will be much reduced at each meet just because it's a small number of people spread over many meets. I think we should get ONE meeting scheduled (maybe one in the East and one in the West). And see how that goes. And expand from there. I'm flexible. I'll go to Chatanooga or Oklahoma City or Treasure Cay. But I think both Jerry DeSantis and Bob Cook are right when they urge us to get cracking, to set a place and time. The greater the advance notice, the greater the attendance. Ernie
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#12
10-14-02, 05:56 PM
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Treasure Cay, May 1-4, 2003
How's that for getting the ball rolling!!!
If that doesn't work, then May 8-11. Both of those sets of dates are Thursday - Sunday which gives us all plenty of time to get there, relax, and find a few things to enjoy on the island(s) for a nice, long weekend. Bob, I defer to you to make sure you can attend in either one of those time frames. If so, let us know if either is more preferable than the other. If not, let us know better dates for you. Everyone else, speak now, or hold your peace for another year  Thanks, Keven ________ Vaporizer reviews Last edited by Keven : 04-23-11 at 04:54 PM.
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10-14-02, 06:45 PM
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Way to Go
Way to Go, Keven. No indecisiveness in your post. I still like the idea of cruising up to Groom Lake, just to see what they got there.
With a stop at Desert Rock, which GMAS wrote about last year. How about doing that in October? 900 letters to skymaster owners, telling them to be there or be square. ?what's the date again?
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10-14-02, 09:05 PM
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I hate to be focused, but . . .
Larry,
Let's deal with Groom Lake after we put this thing to bed about TC in May. I've got to plan 1 vacation at a time when I've got 2 little kids to work around  Last chance, May in TC. Any objections or problems from anyone? Larry, after we get this TC thing hammered out, I'll see if I can work on the October trip. No way it's going to happen with me AND Allie Cat (who most people like better than me), but maybe I can drag a few boys or wanton pilots along if I can get a kitchen pass (which is doubtful at this time, which is why I'm somewhat hell-bent on getting TC in May worked out). Keven ________ party Cam Last edited by Keven : 04-23-11 at 04:54 PM.
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10-15-02, 01:30 AM
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I kinda think the poll says midwest .... and the last time I checked...
TC was east... Hmmmm.. is my compas broken...
I like the idea that we have it at LV... that way their is something for everyone.. as well as a great time... commercial service ... and mid range for the folks all around... besides the wx is much better than back east at that time... Just my two cents worth... I am still of the opinion that mid west is the area of choice... and May sounds good... so does april.... and I agree with larry LV sounds like a great playground for night life, food and neet places to play... including the AFB which we might be able to get a tour of .. with sims... who would like to fly the F-18... and do a little dog fighting... smile.. as well as we might be able to have our meeting at the North Las Vegas field.. which is cheeper.. than down town... kinda thing... Area 51 is now open... and flights are allowed to fly over almost all the time... but, just south of LV is Grand Caynon....and again it would be a great adventure to fly in/over and have our meeting at the marble caynon lodge... but, that is all things that can happen... Lets survey a date... by months... to see when the others want to have it.... Kevin could you post the 5 months that would be the best... April, May... etc... and see who is in favor of what month... as we now have the area... thanks G.M> GMAs..
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