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Old 10-01-23, 08:36 PM
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Front Engine Running Lean

Hello all,

I've noticed my front engine (NA) egt running hot and my fuel flow be a bit low.

The only conclusion I can come to is that its running lean. My only thoughts are clogged fuel filter and/or mechanical fuel pump.

Forgot to try and run the electric pump to see if that helped.

Thoughts?

Chris

FYI: I have stock injectors.
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Old 10-02-23, 03:54 PM
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Here are the things I would check not knowing if this came on slowly or all of a sudden:
1. There is a strainer on the pickup tube in the sump in the wing boom. Mine was full of junk when I first got the plane, an is the first line of defense
2. The gascolator is plugging
3. mechanical fuel pump needs work/adjustment. Cessna has a really good guide on checking the pressures on this fuel system. I have my A and P follow it on every annual.

I would check the following:

1. make sure you get full fuel flow on the ground power and mixture full forward.
2. If not, check with the electric fuel pump on HIGH. The mechanical fuel pump has an internal bybass so that if it fails, the electric one can pump right through it and maintain full engine power.

That may help everyone understand a little more about the situation.

Keep us posted
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Old 10-02-23, 06:22 PM
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Don't forget to check for intake leaks
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Old 10-03-23, 11:24 AM
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Thanks for the replies.

Action Items: Will look at all suggestions over the next week. I'll try to fly-it/ground run it on the weekend to give everyone a more complete picture.

Its really helpful thanks everyone.

Chris
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Old 10-04-23, 10:45 AM
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fuel pressure

I have a G Skymaster non turbo.
I thought that the electric booste pumps are to aid starting only
and not to be used for other flight modes.
in over 40 years of ownership I've never used the electric " dukes"
pumps for anything else .
maybe it's different on other models ???
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Old 10-04-23, 11:15 AM
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The use of the electric fuel pump in flight is part of the emergency procedures. It is not normally used other than to start as you noted.Name:  Screenshot 2023-10-04 091435.jpg
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But is does provide enough fuel to operate the engine

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fuel pressure

yes. Tom M . your Skymaster is different to the G model.
we dont have auxiliary tanks. just a very simple two tank system
with a facility to select the feed to the engines from either tank.
but as we seem to both agree, the auxiliary pumps are only for engine
start or restart in the air.
not to try sort out low fuel pressures in normal operations.
the original contributor was suggesting using the electric pump in an non approved way
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Old 10-05-23, 09:07 AM
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Sid97-3f

Have your mechanic check the unmetered fuel pressure using the latest version of the SID97-3. Just a real good place to start.
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Old 10-05-23, 12:19 PM
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Have your mechanic check the unmetered fuel pressure using the latest version of the SID97-3. Just a real good place to start.
Joe
Indeed it would be... IF.. the rest of the fuel / ignition system was known to be good.
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Old 10-06-23, 12:04 AM
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Have your mechanic check the unmetered fuel pressure using the latest version of the SID97-3. Just a real good place to start.
Joe
Just FYI: the 97-3 info was all superseded and incorporated into the TCM Manual M-0, available as a pdf from the TCM tech pubs site.

http://continental.aero/support/main...e-manuals.aspx
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Old 10-29-23, 09:18 PM
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Hello Everyone,

First thanks for all your help. It was infact a bad mechanical fuel pump verified by my AME and the pump is getting rebuilt as we speak.

Chris
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Old 10-29-23, 10:04 PM
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Fire Sleeve

Make sure you have firesleeve on the main fuel line coming from the gascolator (sp) or the elect boost pump to the fuel pump and the return vapor line to the fuel manifold. I am learning this the hard way. Joe S

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Old 10-30-23, 04:45 PM
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Circling back to some other comments, make sure your mechanic has the pressure gage assembly, SID and the IO-360 overhaul manual (M-7) to adjust the fuel pressure when you get the pump back - The pressures for the N/A IO-360 are not in the SID - it tells you to look at the overhaul manual. Its required and when I got mine back from QAA, it was way off and needed significant adjustment. If he does not have that capability, it would leave you stranded or require you to call in a mobile A&P.
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Old 10-31-23, 11:25 AM
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Don Maxwell Aviation FYI

Don Maxwell of Don Maxwell Aviation a Mooney Aircraft Service Center is writing an article for the November issue of The Mooney Flyer. This article outlines the various procedures/methods in adjusting aneroid and normally aspirated fuel pumps. Joes
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