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There is a marked difference tho, I'll give an example using Santa Fe with an elevation of 6350. Leaving there on an 80 degree day with full tanks and 2 peeps with 400#'s of my wives stuff. Full throttle and away, rotate @ 70+ and stagger into the air, fold the gear, dump flaps and get ready for the ride of your life because it's going to be a minute or more waiting to build the speed necessary to get her on the step. If the engine stuttered just once during this phase of flight your going to hit something really hard. Once you get above 140 or so the wing begins to fly, but that can take some time. And until you get the wing flying I don't thing you have a chance in hell of flaring if the engine fails. Its going to be a hard stop. Now from my experience flying a N/A 337 once you rotate the wing is solid and if something was to go wrong you have a fighting chance. Per book and the post below, a P337 @ FL 200 burns 24 GPH with 150 gal tanks. Simple math says that give you 6.25 hrs till tanks are dry. The Malibu will burn 20 GPH at the same Alt... and using the simple math that gives you 6 hours. The speed is nearly the same for both: only difference is the 337 has 2 power-plants to maintain and the high lift wing. I wish the 337 had the 5.5 PSI cabin but hey I'll take the safety of having 2 engines and maybe sucking on O2 at times over following the single TSIO540 across the tall rocks. Just need to find a good airplane. It's more difficult then I first thought, as of now the only P on the market that I've not ruled out is the Mid Content one in MO. I need to call on that one: N27JA |
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It sounds like you've got a decent handle on both planes.
I'm pretty sure you won't find a well-equipped P model that can carry full tanks, 2 adults, and 400 lbs of stuff under gross weight. It's definitely going to be a rare bird. If you plan on flying out of high DA airports regularly, I'd pay very close attention to your weight. I literally flew a loaded* P337 out of Santa Fe on an 80 degree day two weeks ago (82 degrees, actually.) It does just fine with both engines turning. I'm convinced that losing an engine on departure in that scenario would lead to a crash if you're going north, east or west (rising terrain) and a very white-knuckled ride going south (terrain descends very gradually.) The book says you'd be climbing at roughly 100'/minute if you're doing nothing wrong *after* you're cleaned up and feathered. The chances of a successful outcome from a failure below 1000' AGL are low, and you know that you have roughly twice the chance of an engine failure. Once you're up at altitude the second engine switches sides and adds safety, not reduces it. It'll do what you're asking except: Provide extra safety on high DA departures at gross weight Carry 2 adults, 400 lbs of wife stuff, and full tanks Go 1400 nm - even rarely *The P337 I flew had an empty weight of 3249. Add full fuel (150 * 6.0) and you're at 4149. That leaves 551 lbs for people & bags. Last edited by JimC : 07-01-20 at 09:54 AM. |
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https://www.controller.com/listings/...77-cessna-p337
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You would not believe the text message I have on my phone from that dealer himself.... it's shocking to say the least. I also talked to a couple of locals that know the dealer and they said stay away... Now these are A&P's and IA's that work in the Area. Sadly this airplane is less then a 2 hour drive from my front door... go figure. |
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It does seem to be well presented on line, with lots of pictures and the log books, and on the plus side, the asking price has gone down $7,000. Where did the broker go wrong? |
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Here is a good flying video of N2QF: https://youtu.be/NGuyk9LY_nw
Is Dan Howard related to Baron Thomas? Seriously, there are a few shady used airplane brokers out there. I wouldn't list my airplane with one of them, I'd sell it myself. You would love my '78 P-model, but I just bought it and have no plans to sell anytime soon. My son asked me today what my favorite airplane is that I've owned. I've had 150s, Tomahawks, 172s, Bonanzas, Geronimos, B58 Barons, B55 Barons, Twin Bonanzas, 310s - but I told him the P337H may be my all-time favorite!!! If you ever feel like your Skymaster is not the most efficient airplane, just remember you could be flying a Twin Bonanza at 165 knots burning 34 GPH! Last edited by mshac : 08-21-20 at 03:52 AM. |
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This P337 is for sale. It even has its own dedicated website: http://www.cessna337.com/
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Has anyone looked at N5GY at Skymaster Center? H model pressurized Just curious
https://skymaster.com/product/1978-c...ssurized-337h/
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Same story plays out again
So, I had emailed the broker to ask about the plane. No response still after a week and a half. Clearly he has no interest in making any deals or properly representing the seller. That plane has pretty much been inactive and likely to take a bit of work which makes it even more important to answer inquiries to interest in my opinion. And looks like it is just going to sit longer. Can't say I'm surprised by this action though. It's sad to know that plane is likely to continue to rot away because of the lack of motivation of the broker.
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The games people play: I received a text from one of the locals in mid July saying the owner pulled the plane off the market. However it is still listed as for sale and the price keeps going down. Started around $120K and now it's in the mid $90's. Not only are we seeing a lot of junk on the market, many are being listed by deplorable's
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I've bought planes before by going directly to the owner. A search of the FAA database will get you the owner's name (if lucky) or more likely an LLC name. It's then just a little bit of google-fu to find the actual person behind the LLC - it's usually not hard as long as it's not a Delaware LLC.
Which tail numbers are you having trouble with?
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Hey Jim,
Yeah I've been down that road also, I have the cell number of the owner. I've also talked to a few owners of planes before they were listed on the open market. So believe me I've been working on finding a great P337. Just no luck to date on finding even a good airplane to start with. I would be all over this one if it were Pressurized or for that matter turbo charged without P. Not saying I would buy based on ad, but I would for sure take a trip to see and view the logs. It looks promising on paper and in photos to be a great 337. But you don't know until you see for yourself. Either way turbo charged is a must for my mission and P is becoming part of a preference vs. a must have. https://www.trade-a-plane.com/search...-type=aircraft Quote:
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N27JA is not pressurized if the picture I saw of it is correct.
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I'm sure there is a good one out there, just gotta find that needle in the hay. |
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Full disclosure, I am planning to sell my aircraft,... N187. We had it on the market last winter, but de-listed it because of this virus business ( plane is in Canada and border crossings are difficult ).
That having been said, may I suggest finding a solid plane that needs engines and paint, possibly interior. You can give it the paint job you want, then put remans in both ends. You will be able to have more confidence in the engines knowing where they were overhauled.... As for my plane, it carried my across the Atlantic Ocean in 2006 and gave me 10 wonderful years in the Middle East flying to golf courses and dive spots on the weekend in Dubai, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi and Oman... Even a couple of fly-ins in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia. No de-ice, but I don't really feel I need it. With 5+ hours of endurance, detours are easy. |