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Unread 08-03-24, 11:17 PM
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Gear down - doors stay open, pump running

Gang,
‘77 NA G-model, with gear door delete STC.

Interesting occurrence the other night. Took off to keep night current and, per usual, raised gear on 1st pattern. On downwind, lowered gear and after the customary 12 seconds, saw only the pump-running light I installed in 2021, no amber, no green. Looking outside i think the wheels were down and doors open (it was pretty dark). Opted to recycle gear. Same result. This time I pressed the green light and as soon as I did the doors closed and green light came on. Full-stop. Remove seat from my third point-of-contact and go home to read service manual.

The next day:
Jacked aircraft, got same result three times in a row (gear down, doors open, pump running) tapping green light closes doors and turns green light on. Using adequate ground power (24v charger/starter unit) to aid battery. Inspection of green light revealed loose pin. Downlock microswitches all appear normal, good action & rigging, satisfactory click. No obvious leaks anywhere and good reservoir level.

Got a spare green light (thanks M!) and replaced original. Today, Jacked aircraft again and ran gear 9 times over a couple hours with results #4 &#6 same as before with first 3 and the last 4 in a row textbook gear up in 12 seconds and gear down in 10 seconds. I’m suspecting maybe a sticking solenoid or failing pressure switch or leak in the power pack.

Gonna go fly and check it out in the air with 70A of 28.5V power available to the power pack, but wondered if you had any advice before I do so? Insurance is up to date (both mine and the airplane!)

Long term like this winter: (three trips scheduled before cold winter sets in): spend a cold month or two to pull and reseal every hydraulic actuator and replacing every flex line. Also plan to reseal power pack and accumulator and nose strut and shimmy damper. Logbooks don’t indicate anything ever being done except some flex lines when previous owner did the door-delete STC in 2009.

Appreciate any thoughts on the subject!
-LJ
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Unread 08-06-24, 08:18 PM
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>>>sticking solenoid <<<
When was the last time both of them, (door and gear) were removed, cleaned, and the oring replaced?
Easy cheap stuff first.
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Unread 08-06-24, 08:59 PM
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Thanks Randy!

I’ll do both solenoids first, as logbooks have no record of the solenoids, or the power pack, or the actuating cylinders ever being done. It’s possible the aircraft has vintage 1977 hydraulic fluid in the lines!

Update: removed, clean and replaced packing (MS28775-014) on both solenoids. Jacked aircraft and ran gear 5 times in a row with no issues.
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Last edited by Learjetter : 08-10-24 at 12:36 PM. Reason: Update added, packing part number added
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Unread 08-10-24, 07:39 AM
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Any part numbers for the packing and the instructions would be nice.
Thanks, Joe
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337 parts manual, figure 125, item 11:

MS28775-014

One on each solenoid is required.
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Unread 08-10-24, 10:22 PM
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Randy, thanks you do a good job with the details. Your a lot alike some of the older guys on this site that have now passed. Very detail oriented, keep up the good work with all the others we currently have.
Joe
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Thank you sir,
I believe details and facts matter, much more than "my opinion".
Oddly enough, I have been told, that I am rather.. "Rude"? No, "spicy" was the term.
When dealing with aircraft that HAVE to be correct, facts matter.
Have a good day.
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